We hear about boombox nostalgia, mysterious AI gadgets, and a honey recall with a cheeky side effect, before things get weird with toe-sucking burglars and stalkery exes.
Plus, news from the world of Meta’s AI CEO ambitions, suspicious market moves, and attempts to make future AIs nicer to humans.
All this and much more in this week’s episode.
Links
Professional Cornhole Player Charged with Murder
Boner Bear Honey Recalled
Kickstarter – BB-777 BoomBox
Kickstarter – Tiiny AI Pocket Lab
Sucked Toes gets Jail Time
Crappy Bank Robber
Mark Zuckerberg and his AI bot
Show Transcript
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Chris [00:00:00]:
Foreign. Sam Podcast.
Sam [00:00:07]:
Hello and welcome to episode 573 of the Chris and Sam Podcast.
Chris [00:00:25]:
I’m Chris.
Sam [00:00:25]:
And I’m Sam. This is your weekly fix of randomness, technology and life, brought to you by two guys in Hamilton, New Zealand. Excited to be here?
Chris [00:00:32]:
Yes. Excited that we’re live in person again instead of virtually live.
Sam [00:00:38]:
Remote makes it a lot easier to talk. Randomness, technology and life. Sometimes some crap.
Chris [00:00:44]:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, there’s always the chance of props, like a $10 robovac coming into the.
Sam [00:00:50]:
People love that. People love the Robovac.
Chris [00:00:53]:
I got so much crap from that at work.
Sam [00:00:55]:
Good.
Chris [00:00:56]:
Okay, so the weather’s turned to crap. What else is new?
Sam [00:01:00]:
That’s the most boring intro ever. You are an old man. We’ve got a list of topics here. I’m sure you’ve done something better than the weather and you’ve gone with that.
Chris [00:01:09]:
All right, let’s.
Sam [00:01:10]:
No. I start off my week. I now have an 18 year old. Oh. My daughter turned 18 this week, so that’s exciting.
Chris [00:01:16]:
Holy crap. That makes me feel old. I mean, I can only imagine makes you feel old, but it makes me feel.
Sam [00:01:22]:
I’m not too bad. Actually. She doesn’t like it when I call her an adult.
Chris [00:01:26]:
Oh, really?
Sam [00:01:26]:
Yeah, she said no. So anyway, it’s a bit of a change for her more than me, I think.
Chris [00:01:32]:
Well, I felt like an adult when I was 18. Yeah. It was flattened with a bunch of guys and a. We all had a bunch of motorbikes. Yeah.
Sam [00:01:42]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:01:43]:
I don’t know.
Sam [00:01:44]:
Anyway, what have you been up to this week?
Chris [00:01:45]:
Well, I. I do want to say I’m going to. I’m going to share a little bit a story from Adam.
Sam [00:01:51]:
Are you allowed to share the story?
Chris [00:01:52]:
I did ask.
Sam [00:01:53]:
Okay, good.
Chris [00:01:54]:
This cracked me up so much. I’m going to share it. And he goes, all right, all right.
Sam [00:01:57]:
Okay.
Chris [00:01:58]:
So I catch up with Adam regularly pretty much every week. And we, we’re talking about filming. I’m. And he’s. He’s writing something and we.
Sam [00:02:07]:
Okay.
Chris [00:02:08]:
Trying to encourage him to do. To write this. This script.
Sam [00:02:11]:
Okay, cool.
Chris [00:02:11]:
So anyway, I want to say a couple of weeks ago, he was like, I’ve got it. I’ve got. I’ve got a good start. I went away and I don’t want to blow my own horn, but I wrote the real good intro and opening for this film and I. And it’s, it’s Good. I wrote it looks good. And it’s really got me invigorated and it got me going and it got me excited. I’m just going to go ahead.
Sam [00:02:31]:
It’s got the creative juices flowing.
Chris [00:02:33]:
Go away to go, Adam. So this week I caught up with him on Wednesday. I said, oh, how’s the. How’s the writing going? I haven’t done anymore.
Sam [00:02:40]:
Okay.
Chris [00:02:41]:
Oh, I thought you were nice. Went to the movies and that opening I had and. And he explained the opening. Yeah, they used the exact opening, including some of the exact dialogue on this movie that’s just come out Ready or Not two, I think it is.
Sam [00:02:56]:
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The murder mystery. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
Chris [00:02:59]:
The opening scene was that used the same thing. And he was like, I feel really. Oh. He goes. I was like, God damn it. And I was laughing. I thought this is hilarious. But I was like, well, look on the bright side.
Chris [00:03:12]:
You know, it’s a good opening because it was used in a really good movie.
Sam [00:03:16]:
They made it. Yeah, okay.
Chris [00:03:18]:
And he goes, right, right. Yeah. So he’s going to keep it as it is for now. But he goes, if I use it, people are going to say I stole it from that movie.
Sam [00:03:28]:
I guess that’s a big problem for creative people. You hear all the time with music people getting sued for bloody little riffs from different.
Chris [00:03:34]:
You know. Yeah.
Sam [00:03:35]:
So it’s. I mean, it’s very cool thing. It is. It’s very cool though, that it is on screen.
Chris [00:03:42]:
I think so. I think so. So it was a good idea. And I think he can still. I said, don’t go back and rewrite it. Paige had given him the same. Because he talked to Paige before me, gave him the same advice. Don’t go back and rewrite it.
Sam [00:03:54]:
Oh, good.
Chris [00:03:55]:
Just carry on. And, you know, by the time you get to the end, you might have a different idea for a beginning. So anyway, so that. That was amusing. I thought that was amusing. I thought you’d appreciate that.
Sam [00:04:04]:
I’ve got a kickstart or drop kick for you. I’ve actually got two as per normal, but one of them, John.
Chris [00:04:09]:
John sent through. Yes, yes, I saw. I saw that. I just. I didn’t look at it. I haven’t looked at it.
Sam [00:04:14]:
It’s ruining my story. A fan. John sent it through and this time, Crystal, the message. Sometimes he doesn’t.
Chris [00:04:21]:
I mostly don’t see the messages. I don’t open Facebook very often.
Sam [00:04:25]:
So this is for the BB777. I don’t know if they say triple seven or 777. It’s the iconic boombox. Perfectly recreated. So you think of a giant boombox that you would have seen in the 80s, people walking around on their shoulder.
Chris [00:04:40]:
Yeah, yeah, we all wanted one.
Sam [00:04:41]:
Yeah, we all wanted one. It’s a big boy.
Chris [00:04:44]:
Oh, yeah, it is.
Sam [00:04:45]:
It has dual tape player, CD player, MP3, Bluetooth streaming, and all the modern conveniences that you require.
Chris [00:04:52]:
That is actually pretty cool. I would be. I’m there for this one. You are. What about the CD player? I don’t know you.
Sam [00:05:02]:
Well, the seat just pushes in.
Chris [00:05:04]:
Oh, yeah.
Sam [00:05:05]:
You’ll be there until I tell you
Chris [00:05:07]:
the price, I’m sure.
Sam [00:05:09]:
So the.
Chris [00:05:10]:
Hang on. Just before you tell me the price,
Sam [00:05:12]:
which way do you want to go?
Chris [00:05:13]:
Those big speakers that you can get at the like JB hi Fi.
Sam [00:05:17]:
Okay.
Chris [00:05:18]:
That you can, you know, stream your phone to.
Sam [00:05:21]:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris [00:05:21]:
They’re what, 160 bucks or something like that?
Sam [00:05:24]:
Something like that.
Chris [00:05:25]:
Okay. I’m just trying to get a level for price point.
Sam [00:05:26]:
Oh, no, no.
Chris [00:05:27]:
Okay.
Sam [00:05:27]:
So this is made by a crowd, I think that sort of know what they’re doing is it is us. Yeah, I believe so. It’s got worldwide shipping and it’s US prices. So. Yeah.
Chris [00:05:38]:
Yeah.
Sam [00:05:39]:
I’ll tell you the price of buying one right now, which is like Kickstarter, 38% off. You’re gonna save $400 US. So anyway, one of these will cost you about 1,100 New Zealand dollars, which was a bit more than I expected, to be honest.
Chris [00:05:56]:
Yes. 1100. I don’t know that I could, um. No. Justify that.
Sam [00:06:01]:
Okay, well, we’re going to get, we’re going to get to the campaign because that’ll be fun. So they wanted around $85,000 to make this a legitimate Kickstarter at the time we’re recording right now.
Chris [00:06:14]:
US$85,000.
Sam [00:06:15]:
No, new Zealand. I’m talking New Zealand dollars. They’ve got 56 days to go. So I believe this has only been up for four days.
Chris [00:06:23]:
Right.
Sam [00:06:23]:
Because I think 60 is the max. Yeah, 85,000 is what they want in New Zealand dollars. How much have they raised so far for an $1100 New Zealand boombox retro thing?
Chris [00:06:34]:
120,000.
Sam [00:06:35]:
Keep going.
Chris [00:06:36]:
240,000.
Sam [00:06:37]:
Keep going.
Chris [00:06:38]:
420,000.
Sam [00:06:39]:
Keep going.
Chris [00:06:40]:
Not a million bucks.
Sam [00:06:41]:
Keep going.
Chris [00:06:42]:
What? Four days?
Sam [00:06:44]:
Yeah, I know people want this.
Chris [00:06:47]:
$1100. Holy shit.
Sam [00:06:50]:
What’s your final guess? $2 million.
Chris [00:06:54]:
$5.1 million. Oh my God.
Sam [00:06:57]:
This literally was like three point something last night, I think. So this is like that’s taken off. Yeah, this has to be. They’ve got three. Yeah. Stockton, California. 3,971 backers. It looks really good.
Sam [00:07:12]:
If you’re into that sort of thing. Really go check it out. I don’t know if the value’s there but. But everything’s combined. You can carry it around. You can’t get anything else similar, I guess.
Chris [00:07:23]:
No, the photos you see, man, I’ve only seen a quick glance of the photos. Looks legit, looks good. Like this is sort of thing Cal Hartley would definitely be into.
Sam [00:07:33]:
Yeah, maybe. I would think so. We’re going to have to check on this like in 50 days time to see where this goes because it must be on its way to being one of the better Kickstarters out there.
Chris [00:07:45]:
Oh, it’s gotta be. Holy crap, that’s great. Well, thanks for that, John, for doing that well and hope you’re doing well in the Middle east and not having too much disruption and you know, may Midge and stuff.
Sam [00:08:01]:
He said, yeah, I think it’s going okay where he or he’s okay. It’s a bit strange, but because he gave me a Kickstarter and I wasn’t planning on doing it, I had to find another one. Cause we always have two here at the Chris and Sam podcast. And I’ve got this thing called the Tiny AI Pocket Lab. And Tiny’s got two eyes. It’s the first pocket. Yeah, Tiny. It’s the first pocket size AI supercomputer apparently is what they tell me.
Sam [00:08:29]:
And it’s a little pocket sized computer and you can have large language models in it. I don’t know who needs this thing. I don’t know. It’s got a 1 terabyte hard drive in it. It’s a thermal design. It’s got bank grade security for sensitive. I guess you just plug it in, off you go. Apparently this does seem a bit scammy to me.
Chris [00:08:54]:
I will say it looks really scammy. And I just had the immediate dad joke sort of reaction when you said that. I’m like, I’ve got a Pocket AI, it’s this coin and I flip it.
Sam [00:09:07]:
Oh yeah. So to get one of these amazing little pocket AI computer things, it will cost you New Zealand dollars, $2700.
Chris [00:09:19]:
So it’s more expensive than the other one. Good God.
Sam [00:09:22]:
For $2700 you could get a very good MacBook and probably just run whatever you want on that. So this is a more like. I don’t know who this is for.
Chris [00:09:33]:
Yeah, yeah. Who’s the market. This is a gimmicky thing. So how long has it been on?
Sam [00:09:37]:
Great question. It’s got 15 days to go, so it’s almost done. Well, they. They wanted do New Zealand dollars to keep it fair. They wanted 17,000 New Zealand dollars to bring this thing to market. They’ve had.
Chris [00:09:51]:
That’s not a lot when it’s 2,700 each.
Sam [00:09:55]:
No, no, that’s right. Like it’s 10 of them.
Chris [00:09:58]:
It’s less than 10 of them.
Sam [00:09:59]:
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So didn’t think of that.
Chris [00:10:01]:
That’s a bit scammy again, like, immediately,
Sam [00:10:04]:
the figures aren’t quite figuring.
Chris [00:10:05]:
We’ll sell five or six of them and that pays for the one I want to keep.
Sam [00:10:09]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:10:09]:
That sounds to me like their math.
Sam [00:10:12]:
Well, the math is mathing. What do you think they’ve raised so far?
Chris [00:10:16]:
Yeah, if they got five of them, that would be. What is that, 10 grand? 10 grand? 13 grand or something? Yeah, 13 grand.
Sam [00:10:24]:
No. Is that what you think they’ve raised?
Chris [00:10:26]:
Yes.
Sam [00:10:27]:
No, keep going.
Chris [00:10:28]:
Oh, they’ve raised more than 13 grand.
Sam [00:10:30]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris [00:10:31]:
30.
Sam [00:10:31]:
No, lots more. Keep going.
Chris [00:10:33]:
100 grand.
Sam [00:10:34]:
Keep going.
Chris [00:10:35]:
Oh, Jesus Christ. Are we talking half a million?
Sam [00:10:38]:
No, we’re talking more million. Yeah.
Chris [00:10:42]:
What the hell?
Sam [00:10:43]:
$4.3 million.
Chris [00:10:45]:
Oh, Jesus Christ. I’m sick of these people.
Sam [00:10:49]:
I know there’s. They make something, somehow they put it out here. These people get excited, they’re spending this money. It’s nuts. We really need to brainstorm a Kickstarter of some sort. I think we could literally make it
Chris [00:11:04]:
up and check out what their Kickstarter for Matt Dinnerman. Some comic books did. It wasn’t Kickstart, though. It was on a different platform. It’s a platform that was about publishing.
Sam [00:11:15]:
Well, we’ll look at that in the future.
Chris [00:11:17]:
Yeah.
Sam [00:11:17]:
Now, did you hear about the professional cornhole player charged with murder?
Chris [00:11:22]:
No. And you need to tell me what a cornhole is, because I always thought it was a rude thing, like, I don’t know. I don’t know what it was. I don’t know what that is.
Sam [00:11:33]:
You know, the slant. You would have played this somewhere. The slanted board with a hole and you throw the beanbags at. Oh, yeah, that’s called cornholing. Oh, that’s cornhole.
Chris [00:11:42]:
All right.
Sam [00:11:43]:
They have a professional league. This guy’s a professional cornhole athlete.
Chris [00:11:47]:
Well. Cause when you said cornhole player, I thought it was like a instrument. No, right, okay, that makes sense now.
Sam [00:11:54]:
All right, so he’s in a car. He’s arguing with his passenger, and for some reason he shoots his passenger in the head. Twice. I think it is. He’s got passengers.
Chris [00:12:04]:
That’s pretty impressive when you’re driving.
Sam [00:12:06]:
Oh, no, they pulled over.
Chris [00:12:07]:
Okay. All right.
Sam [00:12:08]:
And that’s the least impressive thing of the story.
Chris [00:12:12]:
Okay.
Sam [00:12:14]:
So apparently it happened on the weekend. He had some people in the back and he said, hey, I need help to get rid of the body. And they’re like, what the hell? They, like, gap it. So they run off, like.
Chris [00:12:25]:
Pretty sure that’s what I’d do, too.
Sam [00:12:27]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:12:27]:
Because if you hang around and go, I’m not helping, you’re next.
Sam [00:12:31]:
Yep. So they run off, they tell the cops. The cops get a report saying they found a body. Two hours later they go find that. So they found the body. So he disposed of the body.
Chris [00:12:41]:
So he, like, just chucked it out the car type.
Sam [00:12:43]:
Well, I. Yeah, well, we’ll discuss that. Yeah. So one of his things, I guess, is he’s also a motivational speaker. He’s on the cornhole circuit. Why is that, Chris? And he gets us.
Chris [00:13:00]:
Why is he a motivational speaker on the corner hole circuit?
Sam [00:13:03]:
No, well, just. He does both of them. I guess he’s really religious. No, he’s the very first person with his. What’s happened with him? To compete in the American Cornhole League. What do you reckon it is?
Chris [00:13:16]:
Is he trans?
Sam [00:13:18]:
He’s a quadruple amputee.
Chris [00:13:20]:
What the hell? How’d he shoot somebody in the head? Well.
Sam [00:13:25]:
Well, you wonder how that would happen. But there’s videos of him shooting a pistol. Like he’s on the ground and he can sort of grab it with all his stumps, all four stumps. Grab a pistol and somehow he can shoot.
Chris [00:13:35]:
But he was driving.
Sam [00:13:36]:
Well, the car’s modified and I think he had legs on, but still, he might have had arms, too.
Chris [00:13:41]:
I don’t know what the hell.
Sam [00:13:44]:
Anyway, he’s facing first degree murder, but, yeah, there’s this video of him on social media holding a. Legs on the ground with. No, with his stumps. And he grabs the pistol and. And then he just starts shooting it. So he can do it without his arms and legs.
Chris [00:13:59]:
I mean, surely he should have said something to his mates in the car like, oh, my God, what just happened? There was an accident. I didn’t mean to shoot him because I don’t have arms.
Sam [00:14:10]:
Well, no, I mean, they had an argument, I think, and he was just like, no. Anyway, he dumped the body. I don’t know what that means. Drive real fast Open the door.
Chris [00:14:22]:
I was gonna say he’s pulling it out with his teeth, like maybe.
Sam [00:14:28]:
And he’s not doing a good job of disposing of the body because he probably can’t.
Chris [00:14:31]:
Well, it’s not like he’s gonna dig a hole, is it?
Sam [00:14:33]:
I don’t know. I saw him shoot a gun. He seemed pretty. He seemed pretty onto it. He.
Chris [00:14:38]:
How does he do the cornhole thing?
Sam [00:14:41]:
Yeah, exactly. There’s so many questions.
Chris [00:14:44]:
Why he just lies there and. And does a sit up with the pad on his forehead.
Sam [00:14:49]:
I have not seen video of him playing. He may do that.
Chris [00:14:51]:
I have no idea. What the hell, man?
Sam [00:14:55]:
Anyway, I thought you might like that.
Chris [00:14:58]:
I’m gonna have to look this up and look this video up and do all that stuff afterwards. You will have links in the show notes, no [email protected]. yes. Holy crap. That’s just my mind. Yeah.
Sam [00:15:10]:
You’re obviously pretty gutted that Boner Beer Honey’s been recalled. I’m sure you’re a. Take that.
Chris [00:15:17]:
Don’t know what that is.
Sam [00:15:18]:
Pure Vitamins and Natural Supplements LLC of Tampa, Florida is voluntary voluntarily recalling some products. One’s called Bona Bear Honey, Red Bull Extreme and Blue Bull Extreme. Are they being recalled Bull or Ball? B U L L? Bull.
Chris [00:15:34]:
Bull, yeah.
Sam [00:15:35]:
Because they have unlisted ingredients which can interact with nitrate containing prescription drugs. They can afflict, lower your blood pressure to dangerous levels, blah, blah, blah. And it’s voluntarily recording them now. These drugs are basically Viagra.
Chris [00:15:51]:
Yeah, I mean, Boner Bear Honey, I guess it’s. I don’t want a blue pill, but if I have some honey on my toast and then hammer away, it’ll be good.
Sam [00:16:02]:
Maybe. Oh, I can’t find the picture of the packaging. The packaging was great. So, you know, just if you’ve got that and you’re listening to this, probably just check that news story, you know.
Chris [00:16:12]:
Yeah, yeah. I’m surprised it would lower your blood pressure. I thought it increased your blood pressure.
Sam [00:16:19]:
Well, it’s the unlisted. Other things I’ve added in. So somehow someone’s picked up on it. Yeah, I was voluntarily. But somehow they were like, yeah, somebody
Chris [00:16:27]:
found out about it. Yeah. Okay.
Sam [00:16:28]:
So that happened.
Chris [00:16:29]:
Okay. I want to. Did you hear this thing about the, the peace talks with Iran? Like it’s. This story’s gone on and by the time this is published, it’s gone on a bit further. No doubt.
Sam [00:16:39]:
I heard that it was all under control. Trump’s organized it all, so.
Chris [00:16:43]:
Yeah. So in last weekend, Friday or Saturday, he’s like, right, you’ve got 48 hours or we’re bombed the hell out of your power plants. Right, good. And then everything was going pretty, you know, the market puckered up a little bit and like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. And then he goes. And then he did the morning, it must have been Monday morning, just before the markets opened, 6, 7 o’ clock in the morning, he made an announcement as he was getting onto Air Force One or getting off Air Force One, one of the other.
Sam [00:17:16]:
He loves traveling in that thing.
Chris [00:17:18]:
And he’s like, no, I’ve had great talks with the Iranians and it’s going well and good talks and we’re putting a five day hiatus on this bombing and I think things will be sorted out. Like we’re ceasing fire from my.
Sam [00:17:34]:
Okay, right.
Chris [00:17:35]:
What has come out is that 14 minutes before he gave that little talk, impromptu talk on the tarmac.
Sam [00:17:44]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:17:44]:
Now I’ve heard it reported both ways. 1.5 billion and 0.5 billion.
Sam [00:17:50]:
Whatever. Just a little bit more than a Kickstarter was
Chris [00:17:55]:
bet on the markets at exactly that 14 minutes before that announcement, which was four to eight times the normal volumes of these.
Sam [00:18:06]:
Are you trying to tell me that they’re gaming the system to make money?
Chris [00:18:09]:
Yeah. So it sounds like a lot of people believe that he made that comment and told some people he was going to make that comment and they made these bets on the market and made several billion dollars in sort of 20 minutes.
Sam [00:18:24]:
Find that hard to believe, but. No, that’s crazy.
Chris [00:18:27]:
Well, yeah, I mean I had Justin Wolfers was economist that I really like. He’s an Australian dude, but he’s in the States, Michigan or something. And he’s like, yeah, I don’t know that I believe this coast. For every trade there’s another trade. So you say somebody’s bought all these things, but somebody sold all those things as well. So. Okay, yeah, yeah. But it does sound dodgy to me to be all at once, 14 minutes just before he does it, before the markets opens.
Chris [00:18:58]:
And then of course, as we know, Iran went, oh, no, you haven’t talked to us at all. I don’t know what he’s talking about. And by that time all those positions were closed and the stock market’s back to its normal place itself and somebody’s hanging around with a big grin.
Sam [00:19:16]:
That’s okay, as long as they’re okay. Maybe this guy should have done this in the story. Maybe he should have made that bet because his bet in life, this 33 year old in America across New York, over five day period, he attempted to rob six banks. And he wrote it, he gave him a note and he says, you may get potential harm. But he didn’t claim to have a weapon. So it didn’t really go well. He made $605 out of one bank or all banks out of all the six, like in total.
Chris [00:19:52]:
So that was the whole. He did do all six.
Sam [00:19:54]:
Well, he tempted. I think they just like someone went off. Yeah. He used the subway to travel between locations. They got him on security footage. He got 320 from one branch, 265 from another, 20 from another. And then three were unsuccessful. He just ran off.
Sam [00:20:13]:
Got to get on Kickstarter, mate. Just make something.
Chris [00:20:15]:
Did I ever tell you one of my flatmates got held up at gunpoint in the dam?
Sam [00:20:18]:
No, I’ve not heard this story. Tell me more.
Chris [00:20:22]:
Well, when I say my flatmates, my flatmate was Rob and it was his girlfriend who stayed with us a lot.
Sam [00:20:27]:
But yeah, it’s okay. It’s fine.
Chris [00:20:29]:
Yeah, yeah. No, she was running a bank in Newtown. I freaking can’t remember what bank it was. This is in the 80s.
Sam [00:20:35]:
Wellington.
Chris [00:20:36]:
Yeah, in Wellington. Yeah, Newtown.
Sam [00:20:38]:
Back when banks were like really high service, really looked after their customers and people actually used them.
Chris [00:20:44]:
Yeah, well, because that was when this plastic thing was a new thing. Yeah, yeah. And most people didn’t use the hole in the wall. No, because we didn’t really have holes in the wall. Yeah. But yeah, it really shook her up. Like she had a couple of weeks off, off work and you know, I think she milked it a little bit. But yeah, she was quite young.
Chris [00:21:04]:
20, 18, 20 something.
Sam [00:21:06]:
Yeah. I mean, it’s unexpected. You don’t want that happening.
Chris [00:21:08]:
Yeah.
Sam [00:21:09]:
The other thing you don’t want is you don’t want somebody that’s sort of stalking you, I guess he is. Breaking into your home at night and then sucking your toes.
Chris [00:21:21]:
That’s not where I thought that was going.
Sam [00:21:25]:
You never know where a story is going on this podcast. Yeah, he broke into her home. He did not admit guilt, but also did not contest the charges. He met her at her workplace and got obsessed with her. He harassed her a couple of times. He broke into her house and then. Yeah. He admitted to breaking into the home to approach the woman.
Sam [00:21:53]:
He asked her out repeatedly, of course, lead up into that. And then he broke in and sucked her toes, which is a terrible thing to wake up.
Chris [00:22:04]:
It’d be a horrible way to wake up.
Sam [00:22:06]:
Yeah, not on my bucket list of Things to do or have received. He got six years for that.
Chris [00:22:13]:
That’s pretty decent sentence I was just gonna say. Did I ever tell you the story when my place got broken into by.
Sam [00:22:22]:
How many stories do you have?
Chris [00:22:24]:
Too many. The ex, the ex boyfriend of the woman I ended up marrying. So she’d left him and was with me and.
Sam [00:22:32]:
And what was the gap between breaking up with the previous guy and you? Or was it like quite close? And this guy’s like. This guy’s a bit upset.
Chris [00:22:39]:
He was upset and he was a bit stalkery. Yep. So a bit stalkery. I’m sure I’ve told you this.
Sam [00:22:46]:
I have no idea. It doesn’t sound familiar. So same age as you guys?
Chris [00:22:50]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He’d be about. Tony was about the same age as me. Yeah. And so she, she’d left him and started going out with me. So she was at karate. I’d come back from overseas. I had a really screwed up Spanish accent because I’ve been living there a couple of years.
Chris [00:23:05]:
I was really tanned and had shoulder length hair and yeah, yeah, I was cold is what I’m trying to say.
Sam [00:23:10]:
I mean I was really, I wasn’t going to say that. But yeah, yeah.
Chris [00:23:13]:
Anyway, so I go back to the karate club as a black belt. I’m teaching class. You’re beating people up and she, she and a few other new, new members obviously had started. Yeah. So anyway, we hooked up at a party. I didn’t even realize she had a boyfriend. I didn’t know the guy. We hooked up at a party and she basically broke up with him and started going out with me.
Chris [00:23:33]:
I first got the problem, realized that this was a problem. So when I came back from Spain I, I was living with mum. I’m like, God, I can’t do this. So I ended up moving into like a council flat and it was like pretty empty. We’re talking mattress on the floor sort
Sam [00:23:48]:
of accommodation, sort of like probably your lifestyle a bit.
Chris [00:23:51]:
Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean and I just got back literally from overseas and we, we’re doing a crossword one morning, me and Ellen like lying in bed and the phone rings. I had a phone. Yeah, yeah. Not a cell phone.
Sam [00:24:04]:
No, no, landline. Landline, yeah.
Chris [00:24:05]:
And the landline. And because she was going, what is da da da da da? And picked up the phone and this voice goes, the answer is unicorn. And then hangs up. And I was like, oh, unicorn. She goes, yeah. Oh, who was that? I was like, no, that’s what they said, it’s unicorn. It Was her boyfriend.
Sam [00:24:23]:
Hang on. Is he looking.
Chris [00:24:24]:
Is he looking through the place?
Sam [00:24:27]:
All right, I vaguely remember the story now. Yeah.
Chris [00:24:30]:
Yeah. He. He used to do disco lasers and all that. And I think he had a laser on the window and was listening to our conversations. So anyway, that wasn’t the story. That’s the prelude to the story. We moved. We got a place in Karori, nice place.
Chris [00:24:45]:
And we were there a while, and we were going to have a party. And just before the party, this guy must have broken in.
Sam [00:24:53]:
Okay.
Chris [00:24:53]:
And he put crosses over photos.
Sam [00:24:58]:
Yeah, yeah. Classic. Classic.
Chris [00:25:00]:
Cut the wires on the stereo with a pair of scissors, which was really annoying. Yeah. And did some other things. And it was like. Yeah, okay.
Sam [00:25:09]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:25:09]:
Was it. I wasn’t too overly.
Sam [00:25:10]:
He wasn’t living in your roof, though, was he?
Chris [00:25:12]:
No.
Sam [00:25:12]:
Okay.
Chris [00:25:13]:
But it was almost months later because whatever time of year it was, I had these Converse boots, white Converse bits with the red liner in it.
Sam [00:25:22]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:25:23]:
And I jumped into them one day and I’m walking around going, something wrong here?
Sam [00:25:27]:
Oh, no.
Chris [00:25:29]:
And then I took them off and it just started cracking me up. I was just laughing. He’d poured tomato sauce into them. Cause they had the red in sauce. And he poured it full of tomato sauce. And then I didn’t jump in them for months. And then I’m walking around going, oh, that’s a bit squidgy. What’s going on here? It’s like, ah, good one, Tony.
Chris [00:25:46]:
That was pretty funny.
Sam [00:25:47]:
I vaguely remember you telling me this, but I don’t know if it was on the podcast.
Chris [00:25:51]:
I don’t think it was on. I don’t know. I don’t know.
Sam [00:25:53]:
It’s hard to tell. But what do you think he’s up to these days?
Chris [00:25:56]:
I did. Did I speak to him. I spoke to him after I got divorced and I found out because Ellen basically told me that he’d. He was abusing her. And she wound me up so much, I was gonna punch his head in. And then, yeah, I talked to him. And none of that’s true. And of course, she went on and told everybody that I’d abused her as well.
Chris [00:26:18]:
And so I was like, ah, that’s her emo.
Sam [00:26:20]:
It’s a pattern.
Chris [00:26:21]:
It’s a pattern.
Sam [00:26:23]:
Do you know who’s worse than Mark Zuckerberg?
Chris [00:26:26]:
No.
Sam [00:26:26]:
Probably Mark Zuckerberg’s AI CEO that he’s building. I don’t think he likes people. He’s decided to build his own.
Chris [00:26:35]:
So is Sheryl Sandberg still the CEO? She was for a while.
Sam [00:26:40]:
I have no Idea? Yeah, I honestly have no idea.
Chris [00:26:42]:
Look out. Your job’s gonna go. Cheryl.
Sam [00:26:45]:
So he’s the CEO of Meta, and he’s decided to build an AI, what do you call it? Personal Artificial Intelligence Agent. And it’s gonna help him with some of the CEO duties. Cause that’s important. I hope this crashes and burns. He really wants to bypass human reports and corporate management layers for information retrieval. This thing’s just going to do it for him. I don’t think it’s up and running yet. It just said he’s building it.
Sam [00:27:12]:
He did shut down his stupid online world this week.
Chris [00:27:16]:
Meta. He didn’t really shut it down. That was over reported is what he said. He came out and go, oh, no, no, no.
Sam [00:27:25]:
Metaverse.
Chris [00:27:26]:
But then the person went, no. He’s saying, no, no, no. It’s over reported because he hasn’t told all the staff they’re fired yet. That’s why. So nobody’s sure, like, but I’d be a little bit gutted if Oculus stopped working.
Sam [00:27:40]:
No, I think that’d be okay. Inside Meta, they’ve got some AI systems. One’s called Second Brain, that searches and organizes company documents. He’s got one called My Claw, which is. Communicates with other colleagues, AI agents on their behalf.
Chris [00:27:55]:
Yeah. And his flaw thing is a thing of agents.
Sam [00:27:58]:
Yeah. And he’s got an internal messaging group that allows the AI bots to talk to each other independently. If he creates. If he’s the one that creates Skynet, and then they combine to go into the Tesla humanoid robots, I’ll be so pissed. What a bloody thing.
Chris [00:28:18]:
I’ve got a AI story for you. And so if somebody goes, 5,000 AI novels for a Safer World, which was the headline for this, what do you immediately think?
Sam [00:28:31]:
5,000 random books based on something. Yeah.
Chris [00:28:36]:
So pretty much like you, I’m like, AI has written another 5,000 books.
Sam [00:28:40]:
Because we had a story about someone doing that a while back.
Chris [00:28:42]:
Yeah, well, no, this is a world project. I came across a wild project that I can’t believe I hadn’t heard before. So this one was from. Where do I get this? AI Sidequest, I think, is the newsletter I got this from. Anyway, someone created 5,000 AI generated novels. Yes, but not for human consumption, for AI consumption. To learn to make future AI models friendlier to humans. Because we know AI has been trained on existing books.
Chris [00:29:11]:
And since Conflicts makes good fiction, AI is encountering more terminators than friendly AI companions.
Sam [00:29:19]:
This sounds so stupid.
Chris [00:29:21]:
Worry that these stories could cause AI to learn that it’s bad and we should be antagonistic to humans. So they’ve made a batch of novels, 5,000 novels packaged up for AI training that shows AI as a benevolent helper. And paper released in January said that pre training with this data dramatically reduced misalignment. So, yeah, wow.
Sam [00:29:49]:
Okay. Welcome to.
Chris [00:29:50]:
They’ve got things like the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, now featuring a supportive and harmless helper AI companion who doesn’t turn evil in the third act.
Sam [00:30:00]:
I’m shaking my head. This is stupid.
Chris [00:30:03]:
Other novels were sourced from wiki plots with the addition of three random tropes from TV tropes.
Sam [00:30:10]:
Okay, well, good on them. I look forward to them having a heart.
Chris [00:30:15]:
I just thought I should add that to your Skynet concerns. So people are fighting the good fight on your behalf there, Sam.
Sam [00:30:23]:
It’s nuts. I feel like an old man. I need to shout it. I need to shout at the clouds.
Chris [00:30:29]:
Oh, do you want to borrow my cane? You can shake my cane.
Sam [00:30:31]:
Yeah. Anyway, that brings us to the end of this podcast. Thank you for joining us. I hope you’ve had a laugh. We sure have. And I’m just thinking about some of the dumb shit that’s happening in the world right now. But until next time, I’m Sam.
Chris [00:30:44]:
I’m Chris.
Sam [00:30:44]:
See ya.
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A boombox Kickstarter might smash records, a quadruple amputee cornhole player faces wild charges, and Mark Zuckerberg’s building his own AI CEO. Tomato sauce pranks, toe-sucking burglars.
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