Summary
This week, the podcast dives into a wild Korean horror movie, a Hyrox sports scandal, and a secondhand bookshop bookmark hack. A Rotorua crystal shop faces religious protests, and there’s talk of Sandra Bullock, fruit fly brains playing video games, and questionable Kickstarter gadgets.
Links
Witchcraft accusations in Rotorua
People refused defibrillator
Scientists brain mapping a fruit fly
Hyrox Diarrhea poroblem
Kickstart or Dropkick – InstaSpot
Kickstart or Dropkick – Tickey
FBI Standards Changed
Netflix Stanford Prison Experiment
Show Transcript
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Sam [00:00:21]:
Hello and welcome to episode 598 of the Chris and Sam Podcast.
Chris [00:00:27]:
I’m Chris.
Sam [00:00:27]:
And I’m Sam. Welcome along to your weekly fix of random technology and life. This is where we get together and we talk about random things we’ve seen or not seen or things we like or don’t like. And you come along with the ride, for the ride, with the ride, whatever. And here we are, 2 away from 600. Plans are going— oh, did I say— Plans are happening. Are they? No, but honestly, check out tcasp.com, tcasp.com. Up the top, there’s a section called fans or something similar to that.
Sam [00:00:58]:
And you can leave us an audio message and also get your very fancy Chris-created certificate. Nobody’s done it yet. Nobody’s done it since Wednesday.
Chris [00:01:10]:
Yeah. Yeah. And absolutely, absolutely do the voice message because we’re going to use some of those voice messages in our 600th episode. So this is your chance to become world famous in a podcast.
Sam [00:01:26]:
Yeah. I mean, we are, we are recording this on Thursday and last week’s podcast came out yesterday. It’s all magical. We, I really want to hear from some random person.
Chris [00:01:36]:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Sam [00:01:37]:
My, my thing.
Chris [00:01:39]:
Um, so I’ve got a couple of things I wanted to, to, to kick us off with.
Sam [00:01:42]:
Okay.
Chris [00:01:42]:
So, um, Sam’s possibly a little dark with me because he came around to, uh, record the, um, the podcast this afternoon, this evening. And I wasn’t home because I was at a movie, which was way longer than I thought it was going to be.
Sam [00:01:58]:
What movie?
Chris [00:01:59]:
So it’s a Korean movie, subtitled, and it’s called Hope. I don’t know why I was initially, I don’t get why it’s called Hope, but it’s set in Hope Harbor. So Hope, I guess that makes sense. It was a Korean horror movie, which Adam says has had great reviews. It’s only on for a week here. He was impressed that it even got to Hamilton. And the only time that worked for him was like 2 o’clock in the afternoon. Okay.
Chris [00:02:30]:
Yeah. So I was like, sweet, I’m in. I’ll come along for that. So we went to this movie. The first 45 minutes is absolutely fantastic.
Sam [00:02:41]:
Oh, okay, cool. Brilliant.
Chris [00:02:43]:
Like brilliant. And there’s a lot of this humor stuff in there. I like, for example, in the very first scene, the cop’s talking to this hunter and he goes, What sort of rifle is that? That’s a carbine. You’re not allowed to have a carbine. Come see me afterwards.
Sam [00:02:57]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:02:58]:
And so it’s got this whole rule set.
Sam [00:03:01]:
Oh, okay.
Chris [00:03:02]:
You see all these posters everywhere about, look out for the spies and stuff like that. And there’s minefields and stuff all around the place. This is the world, but it’s never really explained. But all through the movie as they’re encountering different groups, They’ve all got these huge armories with fricking kick-ass weapons. And this poor cop’s like, where’d all these come from? It’s really funny. I just loved it. But yeah, the movie then, for a long time, you don’t see the monster that you have.
Sam [00:03:36]:
Oh, okay. Yeah.
Chris [00:03:37]:
You just see the destruction and sort of the glimpses, you know, like, what is it? What is it? And at one point, everybody starts shooting at him and he’s like, what are you doing? And they’re like, it was right behind you. And he’s turned around and of course it’s gone. And it’s like he— everybody’s seen the monster except him.
Sam [00:03:53]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:03:53]:
You know, main, main guy there. Anyway, uh, it is a great reveal when it is revealed. I think there’s some amazing effects and CGI. Adam’s not impressed with CGI in a— as a general rule.
Sam [00:04:08]:
In general. Okay.
Chris [00:04:10]:
I actually liked the CGI in this. It did get a little repetitive with a lot of running and shooting and running and shooting type things later on. And some of the heroes, shall we say, survived a hell of a lot more damage than I would’ve thought was possible from a human being. But anyway, suspend disbelief.
Sam [00:04:33]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:04:34]:
But then it got a bit mental. Like, it went cray-cray. It went, okay, like, what is this film now? Now what, what’s going on now? Like, and then the end, the aliens start talking to each other. Oh, uh, spoiler alert.
Sam [00:04:51]:
Spoiler alert.
Chris [00:04:52]:
Uh, yeah, yeah. And then it’s like, and then this whole thing starts going, what’s happening here? And then it’s the end of the movie and it’s like, Well, obviously it’s made for a sequel or a series or something. I don’t know, but it was a bit cray cray at the end. Anyway, I do recommend you see it if you’ve got the chance. Uh, if it’s on near you, hope, um, especially for that first 45 minutes, like absolutely fantastic cinema.
Sam [00:05:19]:
Okay. That’s a good review, um, for a, for a movie. Excellent.
Chris [00:05:25]:
Oh, and I want to say something else from, uh, Adam.
Sam [00:05:27]:
Yes.
Chris [00:05:27]:
He told me this the other day, actually.
Sam [00:05:29]:
Okay.
Chris [00:05:30]:
He was quite upset with us.
Sam [00:05:31]:
What do we do?
Chris [00:05:32]:
The last 2 days. And I’m pretty much saying, no, no, that’s not me. That’s Sam. It’s entirely Sam’s fault.
Sam [00:05:38]:
Yeah. What did we ruin for him?
Chris [00:05:40]:
They are not the IG Noble Awards. They are the Ig Nobel Awards because ignoble is the opposite of noble and it’s a play on words. Ig Nobel, Ig Nobel Awards. And, um, and I was like, oh, well, okay. But it wasn’t obvious that that’s how it’s said. And then today I saw a YouTube video and the guy goes, in the latest Ignoble Awards, I’m like, goddammit.
Sam [00:06:05]:
I know, like, it’s fine. Like, um, yeah, Ignoble. Very good.
Chris [00:06:10]:
I didn’t get it. So I do now.
Sam [00:06:12]:
I know our lives are complete.
Chris [00:06:13]:
Grinding their teeth when they were listening to us saying IG Nobel Awards. Uh, yeah, we get it now. They’re Ignoble Awards.
Sam [00:06:21]:
Perfect. Uh, I’m sure people have been grinding their teeth over 600 different episodes or almost. Maybe, maybe they could leave us a voice note about, uh, the things that drive them mental. Hey, uh, ended up at a secondhand bookshop shed shack thing on the weekend, which is fine. Been there before. There’s like tens of thousands of books in this place. And, uh, we’re leaving and I had a bunch of books I was buying off this dude and it’s always the same dude. I think he lives there.
Sam [00:06:47]:
Maybe. I’m not sure.
Chris [00:06:49]:
Is that the one near the Kaimais or whatever it is?
Sam [00:06:51]:
Yeah, that’s the one. And I wasn’t going to say, but anyway, yes. But he goes, hey, oh man, that’s really good. You’ve got those books. I was like, oh yeah. And he goes, oh, lots of reading. And I said, oh man, it’s like, you know, hard to carve out the time, you know, to sit there and read, which is, you know, a problem that a lot of people are facing these days. And he says, you know what? What I like to do is I get a piece of paper and I rip off this little piece of paper and then I write on it.
Sam [00:07:18]:
Because he goes, I’m reading so many books all at the same time. So I write on this little piece of paper. what page I’m up to, and then I put it in the book. I was like, oh, okay. And I think he was trying to describe a bookmark, or you’re going to tell me, like, but he, he, he specifically writes what page he’s up to. I, I was like, it sounded like a legit method, but I really was just thinking, couldn’t you just put the piece of paper in there?
Chris [00:07:45]:
Yeah, I know. I mean, I used to be a smartass and I’d memorize what page I used to read 3 or 4 books at a time together, you know, at the same time. And I would memorize each one of the page numbers that I was up to so that when I came back, I knew which page number I was up to.
Sam [00:07:58]:
That tracks for you.
Chris [00:08:00]:
Yeah. And I just did that all the time. I don’t know if I could do that now, but I have a Kindle. It does it for me.
Sam [00:08:05]:
Exactly. I just, the way he, the detail he went into this thing, I thought, I don’t know if I’m missing something here. Uh, have you, have you seen the Hyrox controversy?
Chris [00:08:16]:
No. What’s that?
Sam [00:08:18]:
Do you know what Hyrox is?
Chris [00:08:19]:
No.
Sam [00:08:20]:
Okay. So HYROX is sort of a new sports competition, I believe, for people that got, I don’t know, sick or needed something different from CrossFit.
Chris [00:08:29]:
Okay.
Sam [00:08:30]:
It’s around the world. They do it here in Auckland, I believe. It’s growing in popularity. Anybody can take part and it’s always indoors. That’s a very important part of the story. And You do 8 different activities and in between 8 different activities, you go and run a kilometer around the track. And then you come back in and do your next activity. And activities range from sled push and pull, rowing machine, wall balls where you’re throwing the ball up and down like 100 times and doing squats.
Sam [00:09:08]:
Um, and a variety of other things.
Chris [00:09:10]:
Yeah.
Sam [00:09:10]:
Oh, and then there’s like, um, lunges. for so many meters and then carrying kettlebells.
Chris [00:09:17]:
Yep.
Sam [00:09:17]:
And all that. So anyway, it’s a thing and people do it and there’s obviously people that are super good at it and fit. Well, over the weekend in Beijing, the Australian woman, Joanna, I don’t know how to pronounce her last name, so I’m just going to say Joanna. Joanna W. She competed in the speed skating oval. That’s where they held it. So it’s inside. that’s very important to this story.
Sam [00:09:43]:
She had some sort of diarrhea problem where she got diarrhea and just kept competing. And, uh, some people are saying, you know, ’cause she’s like a world champion in her age class, I believe. And, uh, there’s photos of her with crap all down her legs in front of her. Somehow she got it on her arms at one point, but she’s carrying all the stuff. And she’s still competing. And the, uh, people running it did not stop her. She just kept going, running around, spreading feces everywhere. So—
Chris [00:10:17]:
Oh my God. So the other competitors would have been a bit peeved?
Sam [00:10:21]:
Some people said that when you went to grab one of these, uh, big heavy bags for this farmer’s carry thing, they were just in a pile with whatever she was using. So 50% of the people were saying, hey, she’s got the grit and determination and she just wanted to go and she might not have realized. The other people are like, she’s covered in crap. There’s so much crap. Uh, so High Rocks, uh, organizers or owners or whatever, co-owner, he had to come out and say, look, we’re putting new things, rules and stuff in place. But honestly, look up the photos. It’s just, it’s terrible.
Chris [00:10:53]:
I don’t think I want to, but okay. Um, oh yeah, that sucks.
Sam [00:10:58]:
It’s come up a lot at work. Like it’s such a talking point, uh, with people around me.
Chris [00:11:03]:
I did, I did actually read a little bit about that or I, I didn’t realize Now I, I, I did see Hyrox there. I thought they were the sponsors. Well, I think they are the sponsors, but I didn’t know that was the name of the competition. Yeah. I didn’t know what Hyrox was. And, uh, I thought it was just like a, a running race or something.
Sam [00:11:22]:
Yes. That would’ve made more sense. But yeah, not this rowing machine. Burn everything. That’s gone.
Chris [00:11:29]:
Oh, rowing machine. Oh God, of course. Oh geez.
Sam [00:11:33]:
Yep.
Chris [00:11:33]:
Now that’s terrible, man. Uh, no, I, I, I don’t. I am not, uh, I am not clapping for that lady. Like, no, no, no.
Sam [00:11:42]:
In other news, did you hear about the defibrillator story in Auckland?
Chris [00:11:47]:
No. You’ve had more defib training than I have. You’ve, you’ve been trained with a defib, eh?
Sam [00:11:54]:
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so this man collapses in Mount Albert, Auckland, and he’s, they collapse outside the Mount Albert Medical Center. In theory, you think that’s—
Chris [00:12:05]:
If you’re going to be collapsing somewhere, that’s the place to collapse.
Sam [00:12:08]:
Well, maybe. Members of the public rush over, they’ve started to do CPR. And now there’s a few different stories, but they seem quite consistent. Witnesses stated they asked, they went and sent people to the medical center and said, can I have a defibrillator and then a pillow? And the staff goes, no, they are not. Uh, they do not go here. They are not one of our patients. You cannot have that. And multiple people went back.
Sam [00:12:34]:
And then, uh, I think a woman wanted a pillow and they wouldn’t give it to her. So she just grabbed one from somewhere and ran out. Eventually somebody brought over a defib from Anytime Fitness from across the road. Uh, unfortunately the guy died. The practice manager’s now come out and said, hey, we just didn’t know what was happening. So I don’t know if this was an overzealous protective receptionist. Maybe.
Chris [00:13:02]:
I, I, I think she’s facing charges, man.
Speaker A [00:13:05]:
I would.
Sam [00:13:05]:
Not, not in New Zealand.
Chris [00:13:07]:
Yeah. I don’t know that, that withholding medical aid, I think it’s gotta be some charge for that. No, honestly, that you, you’ve gotta punish people for doing that shit. Otherwise nobody will learn and nobody will do right in the future.
Sam [00:13:21]:
Good. We’re laying down the law here at the Chris and Sam Podcast.
Chris [00:13:24]:
No, I’m quite serious about that. I absolutely think, you know, you have to have consequences. That’s the problem. People go, oh, I won’t do anything then because there’s no consequences if I don’t do anything. Well, actually there are consequences if you don’t do anything.
Sam [00:13:41]:
On the other end of the spectrum, and I’m sure you’re going to have stuff to say about this because this seems like something you may have feelings about. There’s a shop in Rotorua called Mama Dee’s, with a Z, Mama Dee’s Creations, a shop that specializes in spiritual items such as herbs, essential oils, and crystals. You know how much I like crystals.
Chris [00:14:04]:
Right.
Sam [00:14:05]:
And, um, for some reason in the last couple of weeks, a bunch of religious folk are hanging out outside They’re putting people off. They’ve actually spoken to the religious people and thought they were quite nice. They prayed for her and blessed her. And then they started turning up again and started telling everyone that the place was evil and she was evil and was telling people not to go in there because she will use witchcraft on you.
Chris [00:14:34]:
Oh.
Sam [00:14:36]:
Uh, so police, they’ve, they’ve actually, uh, done a trespass from the shop as well as the front of the shop, but they’re now set up outside the neighboring shop. And she just goes, I’m just selling crystals. I don’t know what’s going on. Like, I don’t know. And she goes, anybody can come in. I don’t care what religion or spirituality. It’s a safe space. That’s how I want my shop to be.
Chris [00:14:59]:
Yeah, no, I mean, it’s funny actually, because I watched last night, I watched Practical Magic, the original one. Sandra Bullock, Nicole Kidman, 1988.
Sam [00:15:10]:
I have no idea what you’re saying. I don’t know. I’ve never heard of this.
Chris [00:15:14]:
Okay. It’s a fairly average film and somebody on a podcast I was listening to the other day was going on about, they’ve re—
Sam [00:15:24]:
A sequel.
Chris [00:15:26]:
A sequel’s just come out with Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock, like, which is what, 30 years later, 40 years later.
Sam [00:15:32]:
Same, it’s playing the same. Does it carry on?
Chris [00:15:35]:
Yeah, I think so.
Sam [00:15:35]:
Okay.
Chris [00:15:36]:
I think they’re playing the same characters. So she was going on, um, the, the podcast woman’s, um, a well-known lesbian and, um, so feminist thing like that. And she, she was, she said, we, we rewatched the, the original movie. It was, it’s one of my favorites of all time. And I’m like, I vaguely remember that. And then of course it’s on TVNZ+ at the moment because The sequel’s coming out. The, so of course they’ve got the old one.
Sam [00:16:04]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:16:04]:
So I was like, oh, I’ll watch it. Yeah, it’s pretty much still as average. I mean, it’s not bad. It was watchable. It was pretty good. It actually does hold up quite well being that it’s 1988, but it is 1998. It’s more of a family, um, family sort of show.
Sam [00:16:22]:
What was it? 1998.
Chris [00:16:24]:
’98. Oh, ’98. Oh, okay. Sorry.
Sam [00:16:26]:
’98. I have not seen or heard of this before ever.
Chris [00:16:30]:
Yeah, I, I, I mean, if you, if you’re bored, maybe watch it.
Sam [00:16:33]:
I’m not that bored. I’m very busy.
Chris [00:16:36]:
It’s probably the sort of thing Sarah might like, to be honest with you. But I, I’m like, but I am a, I am a Sandra Bullock fan. So I’m like, from that, I, cause what was that one she was in? Net, uh, the internet one. Net. I think it was the Net.
Sam [00:16:50]:
Yeah, the Net. Yep. The Net.
Chris [00:16:52]:
Yeah. I love that when back in the day.
Sam [00:16:54]:
I remember that. That was pretty good.
Chris [00:16:56]:
of course, Speed and those things that she was in. So yeah, anyway. Um, yeah. Uh, so that, but that’s the same sort of thing. I would imagine those religious people will be outside that theater saying, don’t watch Practical Magic because it’s about witchcraft and everybody’s evil. And—
Sam [00:17:14]:
I just love how, I just love how much time they’ve got to just to hang out and do nothing. Hey.
Chris [00:17:22]:
We want to give congratulations to Stephen Colbert of The Late Show, who won an Emmy for Outstanding Talk Series.
Sam [00:17:28]:
Oh, good.
Chris [00:17:30]:
So he won, I believe he won 7 Emmys.
Sam [00:17:34]:
For his show.
Chris [00:17:36]:
For the show. Yeah. Yeah. The other day. So well done on that. But did you know he’s living in New Zealand at the moment? Yeah.
Sam [00:17:45]:
He’s rewriting or writing a new Hobbit Lord of the Rings thing.
Chris [00:17:50]:
Yeah, I had no idea that was happening. Uh, so anyway, that’s pretty cool. I like Stephen Colbert and that’s why it stood out for me. And I was like, huh, I didn’t know he’d been hanging out in New Zealand and writing about the Lord of the Rings. Uh, everybody else knows. So that really isn’t news. Moving on.
Sam [00:18:07]:
Hey, it could be for somebody listening to this podcast and we’ve enriched their lives just like I’m going to. Uh, scientists have been doing scientisty stuff again. They’ve decided to map the entire brain and central nervous system of an adult male fruit fly.
Chris [00:18:24]:
Right.
Sam [00:18:24]:
Um, now it’s an AI-powered model of over 166,000 neurons.
Chris [00:18:32]:
Yeah.
Sam [00:18:32]:
And what do they do with that? You, you, you do all that stuff, you come up with something it can do. What do you think they made it do?
Chris [00:18:40]:
I think I know this actually. I think I actually saw it or something like that.
Sam [00:18:44]:
I think this, every time scientists do something like this, I think this is their go-to. Uh, they made—
Chris [00:18:49]:
Beat Saber.
Sam [00:18:50]:
What’s that?
Chris [00:18:51]:
Beat Saber.
Sam [00:18:52]:
What are you on? No one’s playing Beat Saber.
Chris [00:18:54]:
No, I, I’ve seen the fruit fly brain playing Beat Saber.
Sam [00:18:57]:
Well, they got it to play Doom first.
Chris [00:19:00]:
Oh, did they?
Sam [00:19:01]:
Doom and then Super Mario 64. Uh, and then I guess they—
Chris [00:19:06]:
The Beat Saber might’ve been a, a piss take, to be honest. But I saw this fruit fly thing with Beat Saber.
Sam [00:19:11]:
I was like, yeah, I think it’s always Doom for, uh, this sort of stuff or, uh, random things that can, uh, show images like the digital signage, I think at supermarkets. I think somebody’s put Doom on that once before.
Chris [00:19:27]:
Yeah, actually you’re right. Um, I, I’m pretty sure this one was a piss take because it was an actual fruit fly with Beat Saber playing Beat Saber. And I was like, And, and yeah, I think somebody was just taking the piss out of me.
Sam [00:19:38]:
Somebody’s getting scammed by AI very soon and we look forward to discussing it.
Chris [00:19:44]:
No, no, it was, there was a funny meme.
Sam [00:19:48]:
You’re not like, you’re not, you’ve seen those ones where the animal keeps waking, the cat keeps waking up the woman outside the house?
Speaker A [00:19:54]:
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sam [00:19:54]:
It’s like playing the different instruments.
Chris [00:19:56]:
Different instruments, that’s cool. Um, on, on as stupid as that, I want to read a bit of testimony from a congressional thing in the States. And Sam’s yawning already.
Sam [00:20:08]:
I’m already asleep. This better be good.
Chris [00:20:11]:
FBI Director Kash Patel. Yeah.
Sam [00:20:14]:
Okay. He’s hopped up on something.
Chris [00:20:16]:
He’s asked a few questions. Let me see if I can get to the intense back and forth. So they’ve changed some standards. And so Senator Kennedy, who’s a Southern senator, he’s got a good drawl on him, Says, what about bestiality?
Sam [00:20:35]:
Okay.
Chris [00:20:35]:
And the guy goes, same things because the regs wrote it up in a fashion before I arrived that addressed prostitution, bestiality, and trafficking, and they were there before I got there, he said. Well, tell me what it said before. It automatically disqualified any individual who participated in either side of it. Obviously, we are never going to hire criminals who engage in it. The comment caught Kennedy off guard, prompting him to demand, which side of what? The bestiality? Yes, Patel said.
Speaker A [00:21:09]:
What?
Chris [00:21:10]:
So you disqualified the animal? Kennedy clarified. Well, I don’t think— Patel floundered before stating, we have great canines, but we’re not going to disqualify them.
Sam [00:21:22]:
Okay. He’s drunk.
Chris [00:21:24]:
I understand. I’m trying to understand why you did this, Kennedy pressed on unfazed. Have you, and this is not directed at you, Director, and I understand the game, people try to make you look bad. We do the same side when the other party is in office, because Kennedy’s a Republican. He’s on the same side.
Sam [00:21:39]:
Okay.
Chris [00:21:40]:
And all this stuff really does hurt the FBI. So I’m trying to get to the bottom of it. Why would you, in light of the context and what we’re going through, and we’re having a tough time attracting agents, good quality agents we can trust, because so many people fairly or unfairly think that in order to be an FBI agent now, your political point of view matters? Why would you even get into bestiality? We’re not into bestiality, says Patel. But a lot of these individuals— And then Kennedy Katimoff said, I know you are not, but you changed the qualifications and mentioned bestiality. I’m trying to explain it. Hang on. He then made up this explanation. He then Gave this explanation, which seems like he made it up on the fly.
Chris [00:22:29]:
If Joe participated in bestiality, not as the animal, but as the human, don’t you think he ought to be disqualified? Oh, sorry, that’s Kennedy asking the question. And then Patel goes, if he voluntarily did it, sure. But if he was trafficked into it, then— and then Kennedy cut him off again. But how do you involuntarily do it? In a lot of these cases when human traffickers are some of the worst individuals, and I don’t need to go into that, but yeah, the whole thing about both sides or one side, you can’t blame the dogs. It’s not their fault. No, I don’t know. It’s just the funniest thing I’ve, I’ve read all week. And it was from the Irish Star.
Sam [00:23:13]:
Okay. Uh, I, yeah, I don’t know if I don’t know what, uh, okay. You need to find funnier stuff for your week. Interesting, but, uh, he’s just, he’s just smashed out on coke or whatever he’s on.
Chris [00:23:29]:
I don’t know. They’re all, they’re all drunk. Um, have you heard, uh, you, do you know what the Stanford Prison Experiment is?
Sam [00:23:36]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:23:37]:
Yeah. So I think it was 1971, the original one. And so Netflix has, um, just, uh, greenlit a new Stanford Prison Experiment live, um, what do you call it? Reality TV thing. So back in the day, uh, Zimbodi or something, Zimbodi, I think was the guy’s name.
Sam [00:23:59]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:23:59]:
Um, did this experiment and got some random students and said, you’re a prison guard, you’re a prisoner, you’re a prison guard, you’re a prisoner. So they’re just randomly picked. And then, uh, over the course of a week, I want to say, I can’t remember what time period it was. Uh, oh, I think it was 8 days. Um, they, um, the guards got really, really, really bad to the, um, prisoners and they had to scrap the experiment and never do anything like this. And there was lots of ethics things involved. Yeah.
Sam [00:24:31]:
And problems for the people, I think, in general.
Speaker A [00:24:33]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:24:34]:
Yeah. Psychological problems for the people and stuff like that. It was the ’70s, so people didn’t really care about your feelings. A couple of— so anyway, they’re redoing it, but I was like, but they did that in the early 2000s. So I did some research because I remembered doing this. It was in 2002, the BBC did a documentary, which was really reality TV as well, called The Experiment.
Sam [00:24:59]:
Oh, okay.
Chris [00:25:00]:
And it was exactly the same style of thing, but the 2 psychologists that were running this one, said Zambotti did some pretty bad things in the first place. Like he was telling the guards what to do and how to act, and that’s why they went crazy.
Sam [00:25:15]:
Oh, right.
Chris [00:25:16]:
Like overboard. And he said that tainted the experiment. I don’t think the experiment really showed what everybody thinks it showed because of his interference, as it were. So they did it a little bit more hands-off. And I watched this live as it was going through in 2002. It was one of my favorite programs at the time, and it was quite different. in that one, the guards were really almost apologetic and they were trying to be really fair because they were in that power position.
Sam [00:25:45]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:25:45]:
And the prisoners had no compunction and they ran roughshod over these guards. And the guards were trying to be really nice and the prisoners were making their lives a hell. And it got to the point where they had a military coup takeover by the prisoners.
Sam [00:26:05]:
Yeah.
Chris [00:26:06]:
Uh, and, um, and they had to, um, they had to cut the thing short by, uh, 30 hours, I think, something like that. Um, because it started getting out of hand. But yeah, uh, I don’t know. There’s, there’s just no new ideas, are they? They’re just doing the same shit from the ’70s again.
Sam [00:26:24]:
No, they are doing the same thing over and over again. Uh, but you know who isn’t? People on Kickstarter. They are doing things that are maybe brand new. I don’t know. Uh, the first one I’ve got for you for Kickstarter Dropkick is called Tickey. T-I-C-K-E-Y. It’s a customizable clip-on color e-paper card. So think of it as an ID card.
Chris [00:26:51]:
Yeah.
Sam [00:26:52]:
That’s exactly what it looks like. This is a thing. I don’t know if you’ve seen this. You can get these e-paper displays. It has, it somehow connects to your phone and you tap it and the image on the ID card thing updates and it’s color. It’s got, yeah. So it’s got Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and NFC in it. That’s pretty cool.
Sam [00:27:10]:
It’s like this little thing. You can make little to-do lists if you want or have art on it or little pictures.
Chris [00:27:16]:
Um, how big, how big is it? Like the size of a notebook or like an ID card? Like an—
Sam [00:27:22]:
yeah, like a swipe card.
Chris [00:27:24]:
Business card size.
Sam [00:27:25]:
Uh, yeah.
Chris [00:27:26]:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Sam [00:27:27]:
About that. It looks about that big. They’ve got 8 days to go at time of recording to, uh, they need $2,227 New Zealand dollars, uh, to make it. So not much. ‘Cause I think the technology’s there. They’re just repackaging it, maybe not inventing the world. Uh, you could get one of these for around $88 for early bird, or you can get 2 for $158. Well, that sound you made did not sound like you liked it.
Chris [00:28:01]:
No, I think it’s a dumb idea. I don’t see the use case for it, to be honest with you. I just don’t see the use case for it. It’s too small to be really useful for anything.
Sam [00:28:09]:
Maybe, maybe. So how much have they raised? Your educated guess?
Chris [00:28:14]:
$4,000. Um, and But I, there might be a really good use case that I just don’t understand, but yeah.
Sam [00:28:22]:
Uh, no, it’s just this cool tag that you can update. Uh, they’ve raised $1.12 million.
Chris [00:28:31]:
It makes no sense. It makes no sense. We’re going to have to stop this Dropkicker Kickstart thing because it just makes no freaking sense.
Sam [00:28:39]:
Okay.
Chris [00:28:39]:
I almost think you’re just making this shit up.
Sam [00:28:41]:
I’m not. I can see this is, I’ll send you the link so you can see this thing.
Chris [00:28:46]:
I actually, I—
Sam [00:28:47]:
Because we’re recording remotely because I gave up on waiting for him earlier and went home.
Chris [00:28:51]:
Yeah, no, I’ve just got, just opened it actually.
Sam [00:28:54]:
The other one is called InstaSpot. It’s the first pocket-sized ultrasonic stain remover.
Chris [00:29:02]:
Okay, that sounds more useful.
Sam [00:29:04]:
It looks like a little handheld gadget with, it looks like a USB stick sort of sticking out of it. And it vibrates away the— yeah, it does 52,000 vibrations per second and it somehow gets rid of the stain. Anyway, 28 days to go. So they’ve got heaps to go. They need $5,000 to make this a reality. And you can pick up one of these, um, $156 for one of these things.
Chris [00:29:38]:
This I could see having a benefit, like a dry cleaner might want to give this a go.
Sam [00:29:44]:
I just can’t imagine it working very well. Like, I understand how it works, but I would need to see one of these in person. Anyway, they need $5,000. Do you know how much they’ve raised?
Chris [00:29:55]:
Now this I could imagine going over a million.
Sam [00:29:58]:
Uh, they’ve so far raised $356,000. Click on that.
Chris [00:30:04]:
why that stupid ticket thing got over a million. This is still, this is going to do my head in tonight. I did not, that makes no sense.
Sam [00:30:12]:
Click on the link for the InstaSpot and look at that thing. Look at it go.
Chris [00:30:16]:
Um, oh yeah. Okay.
Sam [00:30:20]:
Oh, it would suck if you had such a, like a giant stain. Like some of their examples are just ridiculous. Look at it.
Chris [00:30:30]:
So you do have to put some liquid on there. Yeah.
Sam [00:30:34]:
Anyway. Oh, good. Oh, there’s an example of them frothing up a Pepsi can to show that it’s vibrating. Well done. Good.
Chris [00:30:44]:
Yeah. Um, um, yeah, I don’t know. I—
Sam [00:30:50]:
You just don’t know, do you? Anyway, InstaSpot.
Chris [00:30:53]:
I don’t know that I’d be with Giving $80, $90 or whatever it is to give it a crack, to be honest with you.
Sam [00:31:01]:
Uh, I, I’m on the Tiki one at the moment with 8 days to go and the, the money they’re making just keeps changing, like it updates. So that’s good.
Chris [00:31:10]:
Selling more of them.
Sam [00:31:11]:
Yeah. Just, I just want to let you know that. Anyway, um, this is a project that Kickstarter loves themselves, so that’s probably helpful. That brings us to the end of this podcast. Uh, please check out our website with all our wares, uh, get your special certificate, leave us a voice note, and, uh, check out the back catalog. What else should they do?
Chris [00:31:35]:
Uh, yeah, absolutely. Leave us a voice note. That’s the biggest, most important thing. Um, yeah.
Sam [00:31:42]:
That would be very handy. So anyway, until next time, I’m Sam.
Chris [00:31:47]:
I’m Chris.
Sam [00:31:47]:
See ya. Bye.
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